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Hello! First of all this IS NOT A INSULT.

I felt that i had to share my thoughts on Dinosaurs as a topic. What makes a real dinosaur fan and what makes you not in my opinion. I grew up with dinosaurs, got my first one when i was Three years old, loved Dino Riders,  my World was changed when Jurassic Park came and made me into the person im today. What saddens me these days its that some people seems to hate anything about dinosaurs that belongs to the past or are not accurate.
Im open for accuracy but i like the old style aswell. I like dinosaurs for what they were, not for what they look like. I like both modern day views with feathers and stuff and the vintage scaly look we all grew up with. So anyonw who both likes Jurassic Park AND Accurate dinosaurs are a true fan in my book. Just because Everything these days has to be ultra-realistic i feel that i have to draw dinosaurs like giant Lizards :P. I tried to do feathers and i felt it was good but since im not a Paleoartist, never was, never gonna be i stick to my " Terrible Lizards". There are lot of great paleoart that is "outdated" but till oozes with Power and Majesty, shall those great pieces just be ignored because of accuracy, its a shame in that case.


Am i wrong about this.





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Levergunner Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014
Phew! Late to the party, but I'm still interested in voicing my thoughts on this.

I grew up on stop-motion dinosaurs from the thirties all the way to the seventies with King Kong in 1933 to Valley of Gwangi, and of course Jurassic Park. Those planted the seeds of inspiration in uncounted fertile minds, and in spite of their inaccuracies I can't help but love them. As someone trying to be a storyteller but at the same time a fact nit-pick, I can see both sides of the issue.

Writers and movie makers are concerned with one primary thing if they have any clue what they're doing: Telling an entertaining story. Everything else is secondary, including facts. Of course, if one wants their stuff to be tolerable at all then they have to have some level of accuracy in their work if they don't want their audience to riot. Some things are just really hard to pin down though, and paleontology is legendary in this regard. The science is changing constantly, and unless you're on top of it 24/7 across message boards, websites with tons of updates, even a dedicated researcher can get a lot of things wrong. Not to mention tons of stuff about dinosaurs is still in theory. There's just so much we don't know, and the second a storyteller tries to make their own guess, science will right on cue disprove it and the inventor gets bashed for not doing research.

I understand the annoyance that many paleo-freaks get though. Trying to disprove incorrect ideas about popular themes are amazingly hard to surmount, and all of that ignorance being piled on can really wear on some. Although I do get the impression that some are coming off as being smug from their position of paleo superiority. These guys I don't like.

Personally, I love dinosaurs for what they represent: An era and group of life the likes of which we will never see and allows the imaginations of countless people to erupt with all sorts of ideas and inspire. If someone makes even a half hearted attempt at accuracy, I'm usually good. I don't mind people doing scaly dinosaurs without feathers at all in stories or art. After all, it's a lot of fun! Of course, if you're doing a scientific documentary then one is obligated to get all the minute details down. But if someone is doing something just for fun to entertain people, they have some cinematic wiggle room.

It'll be interesting to see what dinosaurs are like another thirty years down the line. I'll be fascinated when our future kids laugh at us for thinking that dinosaurs had feathers of all things! XD That was an attempt at humor, please don't yell at me. x.x

Anywho, I hope this has been of some sort of interest. :)
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was a long reply ;)

To summ it up i consider you a true dinosaur fan :)
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Levergunner Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014
What can I say? I like being thorough! :)

Whoo hoo! I wish there were True Dinosaur Fan badges. I'd sew one to my hat! X3
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Jaredraptor Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014
In my experience, with the general public the opposite seems to be the case: a total rejection of modern scientific accuracy when it comes to dinosaurs. Like, there are a lot of people who moan about paleontologists "ruining" dinosaurs because they've found that most of them were probably covered in feathers, as if a dromaeosaur is any less awesome just because it's covered in fuzz instead of scales.

Me though, I'm all for scientific accuracy AND older Jurassic Park-style dinosaurs.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed, it dosnet have to be one thing or Another, both styles

i consider you a real dinosaurfan :)
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Jdailey1991 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014
I used to like Jurassic Park, but as the years go by, the culture that it has inspired has made me cynical of it.  Every time someone thinks a combination of "cool" and "dinosaur", JP isn't the first thing on that person's mind--it's the ONLY thing in his mind.

Though I have been watching JP since 1998, it didn't give me major interest in dinosaurs.  That had to be reserved for the following three:

The Rite of Spring sequence from Fantasia (1940)

The Land Before Time (1988)

Walking with Dinosaurs (1999)

I don't hate Jurassic Park, just its fandom.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I understand, well im a big fan of it but i can understand you with the fandom thing.
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Hollowcyclone Featured By Owner Edited Jun 29, 2014  Student Artisan Crafter
I feel the same way I mean feathers are cool but I still like jurassic park it's hard to decide between the two so whenever i'm in an rp that wants realism I make up my own dinosaurs like how primal carnage wanted a velociraptor like that from jurassic park but they wanted realism so they made a novaraptor you can find a way around things like this v.v 
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the i class you as areal dino-fan :)
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Hollowcyclone Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student Artisan Crafter
oh pfffft I messed up on my comment hold up I'll edit it so I don't appear so weird XD
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mutantapk Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I grew up with Jurassic Park, and I like some of the raptors when they have feathers. do I count as a dinosaur fan?
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes in my in opinion
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mutantapk Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
good.
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HIPPOPOTOMONSTROSES1 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist


The thing is now that... The Jurassic Park dinosaurs aren't that inacurate. Except the ones that actually is meant to be off the chart like Velociraptor and Dilophosaurus (Both are said to be different because of the experiments). 
But I have never in all my life seen a Tyrannosaurus as anatomically correct as that of the ones in Jurassic Park. They have the exact look that the skeletons do. Now we can all argue about the colors and shits like that. 
And the fact that T-Rex might have had feathers.... Well tell that to the T-Rex skin prints they have found, aint there no feather on dem scales. 
Seriously though. T-Rex, most likely, did not have feathers as adults. 
BUT It's highly believable that it did as a baby. Just like Michael Crichton states in "The Lost World". His baby T-Rexes had brown feathers, but not the adults. And I also think it might depend on the locations too. Yutyrannus Huali a around 9 meter tyrannosaur was covered in feathers, but it lived in Asia, where most feathered dinosaurs are discovered... T-Rex was almost twice the size of it too 12-14.5 metres.... So there's a size factor too. I think, if I recall, it's called Gigantothermia. (?)
And the rest of the Dinos of JP are kind of accurate. Now we all know the Velociraptors are Deinonychuses. But whatever. And the Dilophosauruses... They didn't have quite enough DNA to make a complete Dilophosaurus, therfor the frilled lizard neck thing. 

And I fully agree with you. We shouldn't throw away the good old versions either. 
Here's where I have to fight myself a little, because I always, ALWAYS, follow the latest updates, if written by real paleontologists (Which means that I do not trust things like Illustrated science). Fan ta dem eller hur? 
But then, I always love to keep the old in mind. So when it comes to art and ideas, I doo look back, but when it comes to intense discussions with my Paleo ner friend, well then everything changes, I do keep the old in mind, but I only state the facts that are "concidered" accurate lol. 

So if a person tallks to me about inacurate dino facts, I do tent to correct them, not for my own best, but for theirs. But if they say they like the old version better, I sometimes even agree. 

So am I a true Dino fan? Perhaps not. Am I a real Dino nerd? Defenitl, yes... 
There are small differents.... 

Now if we want to talk real old fasion. Look  at The Beast From 20 000 Fathoms, or the original Lost World... 
There the "Dinos" even change shape depending on the situation xD 
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes and some things that thye did in the Movies has been proven accurate by todays standards aswell.
Thats true, well its pure speculation building on Yutyrannus since it was large and coverd in feathers.

Indeed, never forget the past is what i Think. When i talk to people to as also correct them but i alos explain my view on dinosaurs and dinosaur art.

Those are classics, reall classics :)
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Nitroraptor Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like Accurate Dinosaurs and Jurassic Park Dinosaurs
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Best of both Worlds :)
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Nitroraptor Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah 
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Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Nah, you aren't wrong.  People these days get butthurt over the stupidest of reasons, and dinosaurs I've noticed is the biggest one.

I'm a 90's kid who grew up on dinosaurs, my parents made the "mistake" of lining my bedroom with dinosaur wall art when I was born, so they pretty much forged me into who I am now thanks to that.  I've always been fascinated by dinos, dragons, and anything else scaly and lizard-like.

I don't necessarily mind the new changes Dinosaurs have been having, but I do mind the way they are portrayed by the media, and how scientists are going along for the ride...and how people are okay with that.  Just because Dinosaurs are related to birds, automatically they shouldn't be shown behaving like them (I speak mostly of Dinosaur Revolution's depiction of allosaurus behaving like a turkey and "displaying" to another predator...it's absolute bull, yet people think it's accurate).  Given how far apart the split has been (some suggest even as far back as the Triassic), it's more likely they behaved more like Crocodiles if we're going to compare them to anything modern, as birds, crocodiles, and dinosaurs all belong to the Archosaur group.

I also don't like how everything from Compies to Brachiosaurus is depicted with feathers, not just Theropods.  While I do understand the idea behind Pterosaurs having pseudo-hair, and dinosaurs like Psitaccosaurus having quills, I don't like how suddenly everything had feathers when we didn't have fossil evidence accurate enough to prove it.  Unless it's a completely for-real, honest-to-god perfect specimen like the ones that come out of China, we shouldn't pick up a random incomplete fossil amidst a sea of rocks and dust and say "Okay, it officially looked like this, it behaved like this, was related to this, and that's absolute undeniable fact."  When it's not.  (For example, Dilophosaurus is depicted with feathers now, but none of the previous fossils actually had feathers.  Only one was ever found to suggest a skin impression of feathers, and it was incomplete, and was thrown aside originally as being a strange fern.  Given that most digs have both Paleontologists and paleobotanists, and this isn't the Bone Wars, I can pretty much guarantee that was more than an educated guess).

Sorry that this became a rant, but it's how I've felt about dinosaurs a lot this past decade, and it makes me upset.
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megabass22 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Though feathers were probably present in most dinosaurs. Since we know that both some saurischians and some ornitischians had them, the ancestor of both groups must (logically) have had them, and thus most dinosaurs had feathers. Pterosaur pycnofibres are probably related to feathers, and thus the common ancestor of dinosaurs and pterosaurs probably had them.
Also, there is nothing inaccurate with theropods behaving like birds :)
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Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Actually I have an article I recently wrote that talks about how it's a LOT more likely that they behaved like Crocodiles than birds, with references explaining why.  If you look at the gene plan for Crocs and Birds, the appearance and genes of crocodiles have remained relatively unchanged since even when the Archosaurs first started out.  Given that most behaviors shared by crocodiles and birds are genetic ones (meaning they are behaviors that are instinctive and part of their genetic code rather than learned behaviors, such as nesting and courtship for example) it could mean that a lot of dinosaur behaviors we once heavily debated on are actually really much more plausible, such as parenting for example.  It even discusses into the genes of feathers and scutes.
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megabass22 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hmmm...
Could i possibly get a link to the article? You seem quite knowledgable and I'd love to read it :)
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Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
kerian-halcyon.deviantart.com/… There you go. ^^ Enjoy!
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thats great to hear :)

I see you are a real dinosaurfan than aswell good to hear from you.

If we say like this, Birds are dinosaurs but not all dinosaurs were birds is a thing i have Heard recently and thats true. I Think many of the behaved like birds but not to 100 %, they are afterll related to Crocodiles aswella s you say so its possible they acted like them aswell in some ways.

Indeed, maybe it has been a bit far stretched and should be taken with a grain of salt.

I know how you feel so its fine ;)
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Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
*nodsnods*

It'd be nice if the media kept their noses to themselves when it comes to this kind of stuff.  They bring nothing but trouble anymore...
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
indeed
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LovexSummerxCat Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess you have a pretty good point! I mean, I'm usually on the "accurate" side but it makes a difference if you want to make something realistic or simply something cool looking. And heck, who cares if the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are scientifically accurate, that's not what it's about after all.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed :)
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LordGojira Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're not inaccurate about that at all :lol:. What people seem to forget about Jurassic Park though is that the Dinosaurs in those films are engineered monsters that were spliced together from old Dinosaur DNA and existing creatures... so of course they're not going to be entirely accurate :XD:.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :) nice to hear.

Exactly what i feel to.
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sagittariussigner Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist
Everybody has their own opinions. Several persons admits that you prefer to drawing more old school style and following the jurassic park/dino crisis tradition or crossover way over doing the arts based on the "mainstream" science or following the way that most paleo artists doing (you don't like do put the limits of paleoart !).
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thats true :)
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davidfenton1 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I absolutely love accurate dinosaurs, but Jurassic Park style dinosaurs will always be special to me as well -- I practically grew up on that movie, and Walking With Dinosaurs.

The only thing I can't stand is when people complain/moan that their "childhood was ruined by science" since raptors were no longer huge, featherless lizards (even though, if I recall, the raptor of that size wasn't even discovered until JP was out anyways) or that certain dinosaurs "now" looked and/or acted differently. I can be tolerant of someone who is shocked of "recent" discoveries and changes their views on dinosaurs, even while keeping their love of the old classic dinosaurs in check. It's just when they insist science is wrong because they were NEVER lied to in their childhood, and they can't handle the fact that science is always changing.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see, you like dinosaurs overall :)

Thats true, dinosaurs in my opinion has not been ruined but its peopled who ruin them when they just want the scaly ones ore just the feather-nazis who want super accurate ones. I like Dinosaurs for what they are, not what apperance the have for the moment.

Indeed
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malevouvenator Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014
The main problem my good friend its that most people are little close mind. Like Thorne said in The Lost World novel is: Nothing is real. Its only theories, nobody thought when Dinosaurs where discovered thought that terrible lizards are more related to birds than lizards.Probably in 20 years, people of the future will laught that our accurate info was fake.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed, and that is very limited in my opinion.

That would be fun to see :)
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Ramsimation Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014
I think people seem to forget that jurassic park is SCIENCE FICTION, and not an extension of reality.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed, indeed.
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BrandonSPilcher Featured By Owner Edited Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm all for drawing fantasy dinosaurs however you want, but I have to wonder whether anyone ever got defensive over the old tail-dragging "retro" dinosaurs that the JP style would replace. It seems the current trend of so-called cultural inertia has its roots not only in nostalgia but in an ingrained desire to dissociate the "terrible lizards" from birds. Scientific updates are publicly tolerated as long as they make dinosaurs seem scarier (e.g. making them faster and warm-blooded), but those that don't get rejected (e.g. linking dinosaurs to stereotypically wimpy birds).

On the other side of the spectrum you do have so-called "feather nazis" who exaggerate the prevalence of feathers among the Dinosauria. These are the guys who demand that T. Rex and Allosaurus be portrayed with feathers even though all the skin impressions both have yielded thus far have scales (in fairness, T. Rex did have some feathery ancestors, but ever since Sciurumimus got reclassified as a coelurosaur it's doubtful that Allosaurus and its closest relatives ever had them).
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I dont know that either, JP was the Movie tha made people intrested in dinosaurs,i Think amny should thank the Movie for it,not hate it.

Indeed,its a bit to much and not thinking outside of the box there in my opinion. Its gets to limited and i dont like limits,
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abekowalski Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree with you. To me, when it comes to art outside of a museum, it's the art and the artists interpretation that comes first. For example, mask I repaint to match a movie may not be 100% accurate to what we see on screen, but it still looks great in my eyes and I like how I looks and that's all that matters to me.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:) Thats really great to hear.and its true aswell :)
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Ultimate-Bebi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Totally agree with you...when I was younger we still thought Sauropods drug their tails on the ground.  There were no feathers on Carnivores & movies like Land Before Time were just starting.

i see no problem drawing a Carnataurus or Velociraptor the way you choose to.  Jurassic Park took liberties with some creations, why can't you?  It's your art, your preference for how they should look.  Besides, out of every dinosaur we know about & all we know about them, everything is still speculation...feathers could be debunked or downgraded as we learn more.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :)

yes, our knowledge about dinosaurs constatlny change, yeasterday i learned that they were not warmblooded nor coldblooded but something in betwenn.

Yeah, i feel thats aswell. thanks for the motivation :)
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theSpinosaurusGuy Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You sir, deserve an award and some cookies :3
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :) so nice to hear.
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LaMissMoxie Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love older styles better to be honest but both are awesome. I don't know why people make a big fuss about accuracy. It's not like we will ever know what they looked like for sure anyway. And it's YOUR ART.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thats true, unless we dont build a time machine its not very and sadly likely.

Yeah,i gonna do what i want :)
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Paleo-Beast-Emperor Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm into the realistic look of the dinosaurs and all, but hey, I still like their old school counterparts just the same.
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Hellraptor Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A true dinosaurfan then :)
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